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ThePhantom86
 
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2008-09-26 15:14:24
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Anyone heard of this: http://qcn.stanford.edu/ (Quake-Catcher network)

It uses BOINC. It's only for newer laptops at the moment and I'll try it when I get home.
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2008-09-26 16:20:40

Anyone heard of this: http://qcn.stanford.edu/ (Quake-Catcher network)

It uses BOINC. It's only for newer laptops at the moment and I'll try it when I get home.


Careful. It doesn't play well with other projects. It overrides your global prefs.
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2008-09-26 16:20:41

Anyone heard of this: http://qcn.stanford.edu/ (Quake-Catcher network)

It uses BOINC. It's only for newer laptops at the moment and I'll try it when I get home.


Careful. It doesn't play well with other projects. It overrides your global prefs.
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2008-09-26 16:29:10

And it makes one do doubleposts
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2008-09-26 16:36:47

Careful. It doesn't play well with other projects. It overrides your global prefs.

I've been running QCN for a few months and it does neither of what you said above.
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2008-09-26 16:39:49

Careful. It doesn't play well with other projects. It overrides your global prefs.

I've been running QCN for a few months and it does neither of what you said above.

I think they fixed it quite a while ago.
But in the beginning of the project all my comps got "infected" by that bug, too!
Greetings from Cori
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2008-09-26 17:42:16

And it makes one do doubleposts


Heh. That was caused by the preview function. The post button isn't where it shows. I had to hunt and click around until it took. Looks like I found it twice.
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2008-09-26 17:44:29


I think they fixed it quite a while ago.
But in the beginning of the project all my comps got "infected" by that bug, too!


Good to know. Maybe I'll try it again.
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2008-10-06 23:22:00
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Anyone heard of this: http://qcn.stanford.edu/ (Quake-Catcher network)

It uses BOINC. It's only for newer laptops at the moment and I'll try it when I get home.


Thing is, you can buy MEMs Accelerators on the internet but they're £150 at the cheapest. There is a PCI one that's a lot cheaper, £30, but QCN won't read from it. Without a sensor it just runs in demo mod which doesn't actually do anything but search through events in the WU, doesn't do anything with the info or upload any results, because none are made, sticks at 00:00:00.
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2008-10-18 12:05:22

Anyone heard of this: http://qcn.stanford.edu/ (Quake-Catcher network)

It uses BOINC. It's only for newer laptops at the moment and I'll try it when I get home.


Thing is, you can buy MEMs Accelerators on the internet but they're £150 at the cheapest. There is a PCI one that's a lot cheaper, £30, but QCN won't read from it. Without a sensor it just runs in demo mod which doesn't actually do anything but search through events in the WU, doesn't do anything with the info or upload any results, because none are made, sticks at 00:00:00.



the only place to buy the accelerator is on the Internet ? electronic shop does not provide such accelerator ? and if we live on 5th floor of appartement building is this really pertinent, or it have to put on the ground floor to make some good readout ?
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2008-10-19 21:35:06
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The effect will probably be amplified on the fifth floor so you'd get feathered readings. And as far as I'm aware electronics stores do sell them but I've only googled MEMs Accelerators and come up with Report Buyer which is a research components store. I think anywhere that sells sensors, pressure sensors, those things that measure how fast you're going on your bike, that sorts of thing, they should carry them. You'll want 3D MEMs though. No Low-g ones, they're for measuring motion, like a bike speedometer.
I found these two but they're not PCI. I think you have to be a manufacturer of sorts to create a USB device or something with it.
http://www.rapidonline.com/Electronic-Components/Integrated-Circuits/Sensors/Evaluation-kit-for-ST-MEMS-Sensor/79652/kw/82-1004?source=googleps&utm_source=googleps
http://www.rapidonline.com/productinfo.aspx?&tier1=Electronic+Components&tier2=Integrated+Circuits&tier3=Sensors&tier4=Digital+MEMS+3-axis+accelerometer&moduleno=79653&catref=82-1006
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2008-10-28 19:03:16

To purchase a USB sensor for desktop computers (Mac and some later Win have built-in accelorators) go to qcn.stanford.edu/learingin/requests.htm
Learning Center: Request a Sensor
Purchase A Sensor
For $49 you can purchase a USB sensor for someone else or for yourself. The sensor comes with QCN monitoring software, educational software, a USB cable, installation equipment, and instructions. Simply fill out the online form or print and mail in the form with a check.

Online Form

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2008-10-28 19:19:00

Information about the Desktop Network can be found below and at qcn.stanford.edu/about/desktop.htm (laptop info can be found at qcn.stanford.edu/about/laptop.htm)

Home Page About QCN Desktop Network
Desktop Network
The USB Sensor
Unlike laptops, desktops do not have accelerometers inside. So we connect inexpensive universal serial bus (US accelerometers to desktops. The USB sensors use similar to the Sudden Motion Sensors that come in many laptops. USB accelerometers connected to desktops have several advantages over laptop sensors:

Desktops are not usually moved around as much as laptops.
Desktops are usually placed on the floor or on sturdy desks, but laptops are often on people's laps.
Third, the USB accelerometer is physically separated from the keyboard, so typing does not effect the sensor.
If the user wishes, the USB sensors can be monitored continuously, not just when the computer is in screensaver mode.
A USB sensor can be attached to any desktop with a USB port, not just particular laptops with accelerometers already internal to them.
USB sensors can be aligned to north, so we know what directions the X and Y axes actually are.
Three Directions
The sensors can measure acceleration in three directions. The easiest way to think of these directions is as the 1) up/down 2) front/back, and 3) side to side motions bobbing motions of a boat. With these three components of direction, it is possible to find the direction of the acceleration. If your laptop is not level (or horizontal), the directional acceleration may not return a zero value when it really should. This is why our software zeros each directional acceleration before it begins to monitor the sensor.

Communications and Data Transfer
Laptops connect to the Quake-Catcher Network over the Internet. Typically, when the QCN software is running, there isn't much need to transfer the data to our headquarters. Instead, the laptop monitors the data locally for new high-energy signals and only sends a single time and a single significance measurement for strong new signals. If our server receives a bunch of these times and significance measurements all at once, then it is likely that an earthquake is happening. If the server receives only a time and significance measurement from one laptop, then the server knows the laptop was shaken by something smaller and more local (like your sister running by, or the door slamming).

Join the Desktop Network
You can join the network if you have a laptop with an internal sensor.

Apply for a USB Sensor
If you are a science teacher at a K-12 school, please apply for a free USB sensor and accompanying QCN software. QCN has been able to purchase sensors to donate to schools in need. If you are interested in donating to the program or requesting a sensor, click here.

Location
When you install the software on a desktop, you can set a permanent location through a Google Maps API. By setting the location of your laptop as precisely as you can, you will help seismologists that much more!
Orient to North
The USB sensors come with a mini compass so you can align the sensor so the X direction points toward the North Pole. (Note: magnetic North is not always the same as True North. We typically adjust for this before shipping the sensor to you. The better we know the directions of motion, the more precisely we can pinpoint the earthquake!
Timing is Everything
Every 15 minutes the Quake-Catcher software checks to see if your laptop's clock is synchronized with the clock here at the Quake-Catcher Network. The clock here at the Quake-Catcher Network is synchronized with an atomic clock, so the whole network is always on time. Don’t worry, we don’t change the time on the laptops, we just measure the minute difference between your laptop’s time and the time here at QCN.

Power Outage
The power sometimes goes out for a short period after earthquakes because of broken power lines. If the power goes out, your Desktop will usually power off without a proper shutdown. You can avoid this if you plug your computer to a Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS). The UPS will keep your computer running for several minutes. This will provide enough time for the computer to save the seismic data to disk and turn off the computer. When the computer is turned back on, the QCN server can then request the seismic data for the earthquake. We recommend purchasing a UPS for the sensor computer. It will be healthier for you computer and will save you from losing important data of your own.


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2008-10-29 22:56:12

You can only get those in the US though.
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2008-12-02 02:53:16

Am I going senile? I can't find it in BAM. Didn't it used to be there?
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2008-12-02 06:01:04

Am I going senile? I can't find it in BAM. Didn't it used to be there?


Never added it.
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2008-12-19 08:55:35

They started shipping USB Accelerometers. I got mine today. My Quad is happily crunching away
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2008-12-20 19:00:59

I've just bought one from France, should have it in a few weeks. QCN severally lacks a detector in Southern Spain and Northern Africa, I hope to be able to supply that shortly!
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2009-01-04 22:15:08

So, what happens if you bump your computer? Or, on laptops with built-in accelerometers, what happens when you are using the computer on your lap? Seems like there could be some issues with placement of the devices, and the accuracy of the sensor data. Also, how does this project use BURP? Does it use your CPU all the time like other projects, or is it just collecting data in the background?
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2009-01-05 01:24:13

The software is suposed to filter out "false positives". I live in a manufactured home, with three kids thundering around the house. The USB accelerometer is very sensitive, every vibration near the computer generates plenty of squiggles and jiggles but they're all vertical movement. An earthquake will generate vertical, horizontal and diagonal (X,Y & Z axis)...at least that's how I think it works! That's how the software figures out if it's a quake or just the kids jumping up and down to see the lines on the screen move.

QCN is "on" all the time on my quad. I have 5 projects running on my quad so I'm pretty sure QCN is running on the GPU not the CPU like the other 4? I told BOINC to only use 3 CPU's and now only 4 W/U's run at once. If I "suspend" then nothing runs...but QCN won't record any quakes while suspended...which makes it kinda pointless.

Also keeping the computers location up to date is important....recording a quake while your in New York doesn't help if QCN thinks your lap top is still in Kansas!
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2009-03-25 16:46:53

Are there plans to add QCN to stats?
My client is showing stats and racking up credits but they are not being reported in BAM.
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2009-04-21 18:16:07

Hi, I'm the lead developer on QCN. Although we're "technically" an alpha test (hence our qcnalpha URL) it's been "alpha" so long (and the software is stable now), and so many have attached to "qcnalpha", that it's probably OK to add QCN to BOINCStats if Willy wants to. I'm probably not going to switch to another URL since so many have attached to "qcnalpha" and I'd hate to have to get people to reattach etc.

we're a pretty specialized project though i.e. need a sensor to get credits etc, so it may not be useful as far as credits etc if that is one's main concern etc. I give 50 "cobblestones" of credit per day of running the sensor (which is very low CPU for the external USB sensors & the IBM Thinpad; but can increase on the Apple Macbook's).
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2009-04-21 18:22:22

it's probably OK to add QCN to BOINCStats if Willy wants to.


Thanks, I removed the restriction on QCN and it's now available on BS.
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2009-04-21 20:27:07
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glad to here this news

Only one thing: don't you think this is a bit strange RAC trend for a fixed credit/WU project (with no chance to crunch more than 1 WU/day on the same PC)?
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2009-04-21 22:17:55

cool, thanks Willy. I'm going to rename the project to take off the "Alpha Test" part as it's basically a "live" (though specialized) project.

I will look into the RAC problems.
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