CSB - very surprised to not find a post/thread here on this one.

CSB

//boinc.vanderbilt.edu/CSB

It's been around for ages. But it doesn't actually work, so nobody has posted a link to it.

The forums only came up yesterday, the app doesn't work, and we're all reporting hundreds of failed WUs every day/hour/minute.

Probably best to let the project get straight before inundating it

Al.

I have a problem with my account (Holly-Marie) on that thread.
It was automatically created as base for my boinc wide team (Trans-G-Power).

Since the password is not forwarded to the projects (which I find VERY annoying) I would need to get the account key mailed to me.

Unfortunately this project does not offer such an option, like so many others do not.
So I asked for instruction on changing my password in hopes that would provide some means to get into the account. On other projects that proved not very helpful but you never know.

But not even that works. I do not receive any email at all from the project. I checked my spam folder and any other "inboxes". I would add the project to the white list but it seems they do not understand that the project URL is no base for an email.
Since I do not know the email address they use or at least the mail server I can not add it to my white list.

However even if it was the spam filter of my email account than it should still turn up in the spam folder since I did not check that spam is rejected without being received.

I had the same happening with Hydrogen@Home and after some feed back from me and some trail and error they fixed something on their end and suddenly it worked.

My mail provider is GMX.DE but as I said so far the projects were able to solve the problem on their end since I have no settings that prevent the email from arriving.

Since I can not log into my account I also can not post in the forum or Q&A. A concept I never really understood. There are other ways to prevent spam...

So would someone please forward to them to check their email settings and possible talk to Hydrogen@Home to ask what he had to change to make it work right.

Btw.: that only happens with projects that think they have to customise a lot of the page.

Thanks for any help

Holly

You want passwords be forwarded to anyone? I can't believe that you really mean such heinous things.

Password must never ever be forwarded anywhere but to the rightful owner through secure means.

The account key retrieval works at all projects at the URL project.url/get_passwd.php.

Hi Saenger


Maybe this came out wrong.
I'm aware that not setting the password at the new project is for security reasons.

If all the other stuff worked as it is meant to work that would be ok with me.

However it often does not work.

The page you mentioned may exist on every project BUT it is sometimes customised.

In case of this project you can't get your account key mailed to you as most "real" projects offer. The problem is they asume you either have the account key (since you created the account through the client) or you have the password. The do not take in account that I did not create the account myself and therefore have neither. All I have is my email address. This this is a project that some how does something so that emails from it never show up at my email provider.

If you look at the page you suggested you will see that it is of no help to me.

The account key is not on my PC since I was never attached to the project. I can change a password since there was never any set and I do not get any emails from the project.

Since I receive such emails from almost any other project without changing my spam settings or having th projects in my white list it has to be something in the emails that's wrong. Since the people who run that project do not seem to know the difference between a HTTP server and a mail output server its not hard to imagine they messed up the generation of the emails as well.

still thanks for trying to help

Holly

Try this link:

http://boinc.vanderbilt.edu/CSB/get_passwd.php

I tried it and it works.

Hi SciTechGrid,



I never said the link is not working but the page that is created there is no help to me. The email with the password changing info (what ever those may be) is not delivered and I do not have the account key since I was never attached to the project.

If you think I'm just too dumb than so be it. I know I tried everthing on the project site and also checked all the spam settings and folders in my email account.

As someone who studies computer science, did 3.5 years tech support (1st and 2nd level as well as back up for the int. offices) for professional computer graphics and monitors and had had a PC since 1990 with net access since 1993 or so I think I know at least a bit what I'm doing and what *I* could have done wrong.

Sorry if I over reacted but its frustrating to be told again and again its all just peachy when it is not for me even if it may be for you.

Thanks for trying to help

Holly

I tried the account key retrieving site before posting the link here and got mine sent to me, I nerver trust such things simply because it should work

I dunno whether it's an eager spam filter @project or @your provider or where ever. It definitely worked for me in the supposed manner.

I was in the same boat as you. My account created with a BOINC wide team.

What I did, was try to log in, then when that failed it asked me what to do. I selected have account key mailed to me and was redirected to the previously mentioned page. I filled in the e-mail address of my account and I recieved the e-mail in short order. However, it did not contain my account key, but a short term link to log on to the acount.

In fact I just did it again.

Hopes this helps.

I just tried with my Boinc-wide teams account (it wasn't necessary, as I found my way there even before that one was created, and it didn't work. I didn't recieve a confirmation mail from the project as well, though both of my accounts are there.

Strange, and as WyerByter managed to get it with his auto-created account this doesn't seem to be the reason as well. I'll post this comment in the relevant thread in the forum over there.

After clicking to send the e-mail, there was a warning about SPAM filters. Looking back at the e-mail I recieved, it may be because the e-mail address it is from is www-data@ubuntu7.localdomain. That looks like an e-mail address that might trigger a SPAM filter.

I just tried, and I got no email whatever. I have control over my spam filters (SpamAssassin) and nothing appeared in the inbox or spam bin.

So either the email was never sent, or it will be sent later, or something killed it in transit (can't imagine what though!).

I'll try again, and maybe try creating a new account with a different email address.

Weird.

Al.

Hi Al and the others,

thanks for looking into it and finally confirming it.



I had exactly the same problem with Hydrogen@Home.
There I created a new account and then talked it through with the guy who runs it. I do not know what he did but after a few unsuccessful tries *he* got it working. I had to change nothing on my settings.
However he said his logs show the email was send.
I know that some sites have a problem with GMX but do not know why since the email account gives me full control and all other spam turns up where I want it so I can review and delete.
(Its kind of funny to get spam for penis enlargement when I had mine converted to a neovagina 6 months ago )

My guess is the project creates an email that does not comply with how an email has to look. While most mail servers accept nearly anything that looks even remotely like an email in this case it is just to much out there.
I mean I get emails with no sender, no subject, no return address (the standard says it has to be there but most email servers just assume the sender for that to solve the conflict) and I even get spam with all kinds of malformed sender addresses.

If it was my site I would let it create such an email but save it locally for review. Then analyse if the raw email contains all the information it should in the right places.

Holly

Hi again,

just so you know I tried put both "www-data@ubuntu7.localdomain" and the IP: 129.59.1.213 in my white list and it does not change anything.
For the IP there is a good chance its dynamic anyway I guess.

Well I guess I can't do any more than hope now.

Thanks to all of you for your time.

hugs

Holly

I never said the link is not working but the page that is created there is no help to me. The email with the password changing info (what ever those may be) is not delivered and I do not have the account key since I was never attached to the project.

If you think I'm just too dumb than so be it. I know I tried everthing on the project site and also checked all the spam settings and folders in my email account.

As someone who studies computer science, did 3.5 years tech support (1st and 2nd level as well as back up for the int. offices) for professional computer graphics and monitors and had had a PC since 1990 with net access since 1993 or so I think I know at least a bit what I'm doing and what *I* could have done wrong.

Sorry if I over reacted but its frustrating to be told again and again its all just peachy when it is not for me even if it may be for you.

Thanks for trying to help

Holly[/quote]

Obviously I'm the dumb one for trying to help.

Apparently Drug Discovery through Computational Structural Biology and Chemistry does not support M$ Vista.

Hi SciTechGrid,



this seemed to have come over the wrong way.

I did not mean to imply I know everything. Far from it. If I did I would not ask for help here. I just wanted to make it clear I'm not totally clueless and I was able to find those pages I was pointed to here on my own. I did try again and look to see if I may have over looked something but it seemes I did not.

Please accept my appology if I hurt your feels. I'm very grateful that you did try to help even if it did not help yet.

hugs

Holly

Yes, it does. As Windows Vista came after Windows 98 it satisfies the condition "Microsoft Windows (98 or later)".

HTH

This may be off topic a little. I'm signed up at Boinc wide team projects but never been signed up automatically.

Are you saying that when you are signed up automatically that they don't use your Username, Email & Password, plus not send anything to you to log in? I thought when signing up with BWT with Username, Password and verifiing email was all that needed done. If this is the case, what good is it? Other than get the user & team names there.

I guess I'm glad that I haven't been signed up automatically then.

I'm not sure I completely understand what you are asking, but as far as CSB is concerned, they did automatically import the BWT's. The issue of this thread relates to the fact that the import of BWT's do not include passwords for the founder's account. You have to do your initial log in by requesting an account key, or some other method depending on project.

CSB doesn't have a direct link to having your accessing your account with the account key, or to have an e-mail sent to you. Once you have attempted to logon with the e-mail of the account, it takes you to a page that you can logon with an account key, or have an e-mail sent to you to allow you to logon. That e-mail does not contain an account key, but a limited time link that logs you into your account.

The main issue is that some people have not been receiving the e-mails that were supposed to have been sent out. Either that or they were expecting an account key and did not understand what they had been given when the e-mail arrived.

In my particular instance, I had not signed up for this project because it was Linux 64 only at the time (I do tend to be ATA), but then received an e-mail that my team was created. When I checked the project again, they had released a win32 app, so I attempted to login. My attempt to login using the method I previously mentioned was successful.

As for the overall effectiveness of BWT's, they are only as effective as the administrators of the various projects make them. They are there, but the project administrators have to decide to import them. As far as I know, nothing forces them to import BWT's, other than BOINC culture, but that is not well established, and often times other things are more important to the various projects (like their research).

Also, since I believe that you are ATA as well, the only automatic e-mail you get is if your team is created on the import, if you have already signed up and created your team when the import occurs, then you will not get an e-mail.

Having re-read your post several times... To summarize, on import of BWT's any team that does not exist is created as is the founder of the team, if the founder does not exist. If a team is created in a project during an import, then an e-mail is sent to the founder stating that the team has been created, nothing more. The founder can then go to the project and request access to his account (e-mail account key or login link or something, usually automatic). Once the e-mail has been received, then the founder should have free and unfettered access to his account and his team. CSB is having an issue with the e-mails being sent out, they do not seem to be arriving in all cases.

I almost feel like putting in another couple of paragraphs, just to see how long I can get this post, but I think I'll stop here.

I hope I helped and did not confuse, and maybe even answered your question. Okay, now I will stop.

Ok. I have seen the request for account key at different projects. I thought when BWT signed up User and Team it used The Email Address and password. Then all we had to do is login. But, I guees I misunderstood.

I guess I'll find out when and if they sign me up. I'm the Team Founder on over 70 projects and never been signed up automatically. How long does a project have to be in existancce before BWT initiates signup?

Thanks for your help

Bill

How can anybody in a right state of mind even think sending password could even be a possibility for BWT???????

The sending of the email address is problematic already, spreading private data unprotected to every spammer, that asked for it. But password? That's plain ridiculous.

Technically, it doesn't even have to be in existence. Just go to the BWT site, and create your account and team.

Then when a project that your team has not been created on imports the BWT's, your account if you don't have one, and your team will be created. Also, all team information on existing teams should be updated as well.

I signed up with BWT 2 Mar 08, but never been signed up automatically yet. That's the reason I was wonderung how long it took from when project went live and BWT sign up founder and team.

That depends on the project admin. Whenever they do the import. For CSB, it was about a month or two, I think.