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2011-06-19 11:06:40

I got this in my newsfeed:
Project News 17.06.2011 21:45 BST
from LHC@home
Project registration closed Due to technical problems registration to LHC at home has ben indefinatly suspended. Sorry about this. Alex


Project servers aren't responding and the site is down. I wouldn't ordinarily get in a tizz, but the terse bulletin and the word "indefinatly" look, well, BAD.

Anybody out there know what's going on with LHC@Home?
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2011-06-19 14:07:55
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LHC hasn't had any BOINC work for at least a year.

. . . once they got the mother of all science fair projects running they decided that they would run their project inhouse.


[edit: have just been informed that LHC occasionally deals out a few WU's, but they are few and far in between.]

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2011-06-20 08:24:29

Aw, it wasn't as bleak as that, Sid. Admins have kept the news coming, app development has continued, I was crunching test batches last week. This wasn't a moribund project fading away - something has happened, and suddenly. My guess is CERN has pulled the plug on them. I'm hoping someone can say for sure whether we've got a retired project on our hands, or a temporary glitch.

Test4Theory/LHC++@Home, meanwhile, is chugging along just fine. Nothing on their boards about it.

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2011-06-20 21:34:10

...aaaand here's the answer:
20.06.2011 16:00 BST -
Project Registration Suspended
Due to technical problems registration to LHC@home has been indefinatly suspended. Sorry about this.
We are working on an upgrade which will let us re-enable the account creation but the timeline is not yet completely clear.
Alex

Temporary glitch. I'll be over here looking faintly sheepish.


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2011-06-21 04:52:56

I had been a follower of LHC@Home for years, and the impression I got (even under the new management) was that CERN doesn't really take the potential contributions of volunteer computing seriously.
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2011-08-23 19:15:17
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There was talk, earlier this year that the original LHC@home would be used to help 'tweak' design now that run data is available.
Apparently things have changed.
The 'big guns' running the project never saw a use for BOINC anyway.
My guess is that it's more a security issue..nothing resembling any results will go off their own distributed and highly secure system lest somebody beat them to publish.
Their attitude has been poor toward layman help with the project. I have little or no confidence that they will make any use of the data the new T4T project will provide and I am going to spend my electricity where it is more appreciated.
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2011-08-23 20:18:39

The new beta-project for LHC from CERN is this:
Test4Theory
About Test4Theory

This is a test project, to demonstrate the use of the CERN-developed CernVM and BOINCVM systems to harness volunteer cloud computing power for full-fledged LHC event physics simulation on volunteer computers.

It is the first of what is expected to be a series of physics applications running on the LHC@home 2.0 platform. These applications will exploit virtual machine technology, enabling volunteers to contribute to the huge computational task of searching for new fundamental particles at CERN's LHC.


Or here on the non-BOINC-layout pages of the project: LHC@home 2.0.
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2011-09-02 08:33:30
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The project seems to have moved its servers from England to Switzerland:
19.08.2011 15:35 BST -
Migration of LHC@home to CERN

Since May 2007 LHC@home has been hosted at Queen Mary, University of London. One thing that is certain in life is change and it is now time for LHC@home to move back to CERN the home of the LHC experiment.

Next week 22nd to 26th August we will be migrating the project back to CERN and so please expect the project to be down for a few days from Monday.

We would like to thank you for your support over the last four years and hope you will continue to subscribe to LHC@home when it is back at CERN. We also wish the new CERN boinc admin's all the best as they take the reins.

Happy number crunching!
Alex and Neasan


And as yesterday the BOINC-wide team import was done, I got aware of the new URL:
http://boinc01.cern.ch/sixtrack/index.php

One thing went terribly wrong:
They seem to have imported all member accounts with their credits and team affiliation, only that affiliation was just for the number in the old project. Than they seem to have run the team import scripts, and those numbers now beong to different teams, I was suddenly member of Phenix (team #42), not SETI.Germany (team #2), and we have lot's of polish members in our team yet, so probably the team #2 was some small polish team in the old project.

According to here at BOINCstats it was this:
SETI.Germany at #42
DistributedComputing@Plock at #2

Edith says:
Unfortunately neither the old nor the new project forum are working.
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2011-09-02 12:49:26

Saenger wrote:
Edith says:
Unfortunately neither the old nor the new project forum are working.

I just generated a first post with a trick in a hidden forum:
http://boinc01.cern.ch/sixtrack/forum_forum.php?id=4

Here are the somewhat hidden, but nevertheless accessible, parts of the form, even with a button "New Post":
(nothing, probably News) but with "New Post", that's usually not there
LHC@home Science
Number crunching
Cafe LHC
Windows
Unix/Linux
(nothing, probably Mac)
Getting started
Preferences
Wish list
Sixtrack
Team invites
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2011-09-03 01:49:37

Saenger wrote:
And as yesterday the BOINC-wide team import was done, I got aware of the new URL:
http://boinc01.cern.ch/sixtrack/index.php

One thing went terribly wrong:
They seem to have imported all member accounts with their credits and team affiliation, only that affiliation was just for the number in the old project. Than they seem to have run the team import scripts, and those numbers now beong to different teams, I was suddenly member of Phenix (team #42), not SETI.Germany (team #2), and we have lot's of polish members in our team yet, so probably the team #2 was some small polish team in the old project.

According to here at BOINCstats it was this:
SETI.Germany at #42
DistributedComputing@Plock at #2


Looks like the team assignments have been fixed. Also from the front page the correct URL is http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/.
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2011-09-03 06:40:46

Jeff17 wrote:
Looks like the team assignments have been fixed. Also from the front page the correct URL is http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/.

For the teammembers, who corrected the membership of their teams yesterday theirselves, they have to change it again.
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2011-09-03 11:28:49

Crystal Pellet wrote:
Jeff17 wrote:
Looks like the team assignments have been fixed. Also from the front page the correct URL is http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/.

For the teammembers, who corrected the membership of their teams yesterday theirselves, they have to change it again.


Yep, they changed a lot over night, and us early adopters have to re-adopt again
Should have kept the BOINCwide teams out of it first, so that us ATAs would not have known it before they were really ready for public visits.
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2011-09-04 15:54:17
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Work astarted flowing today, but don't get too excited, i've got 5 out of 5 with validate error and so did the six or so other people on the same work units.

If you can't find the forum by clicking the message_board link, take this short cut to number_crunching
http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/forum_forum.php?id=3
I found it by going through the opld posts link in my account.

I notified admin, userid 1 or problems.

Note url lsited on home page, the old url redirects, it is probally best to detach all client and reattach at new url. @willy too
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2011-09-05 10:22:40

I wonder what kind of work LHC classic will have compared to the VM driven LHC 2.0. I couldn´t find any information about that in their forums. In my opinion CERN should concentrate on LHC 2.0 completely and abandon the classic project...
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2011-09-05 12:16:21

Tom_unoduetre wrote:
I wonder what kind of work LHC classic will have compared to the VM driven LHC 2.0. I couldn´t find any information about that in their forums. In my opinion CERN should concentrate on LHC 2.0 completely and abandon the classic project...

The classic project is for "normal" use of BOINC, currently with the old Sixtrack application. I don't know what's there to recalibrate about the magnets, as that was iirc the aim of Sixtrack, but it will run with BOINC in an ordinary environment.
The 2.0 project requires the VirtualBox as an other installed programm, runs quite independent from BOINC (at least the talking between BOINC and VB is afaik more or less a one-way street now), so it's for the more nerdy people.

Perhaps they should maintain a single forum for both projects, but the very different set-up makes two different projects, not just applications, look like a good idea.
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2011-09-05 17:44:34

The project mesage boards are fixed and now visible and the admins are working out other problems.

The project is used to calibrate the magnets, Anytime one needs to be replaced a new calibration is needed, as each magnet is unique, it not as simple as just dropping in a new one and getting the exact same performance. I also read something once about a planned upgrade, which means recalibration again.

The work is entirely different for each project. Both are necessary.

Dear Friends,

the LHC@HOME project has been split in 2 tracks that present themselves as different projects in BOINC:

LHC@HOME 1.0 is the classic SixTrack application which is used to study the Beam dynamics at the CERN Collider. We continue with the study and improve the program, which is now available in Linux and Windows.

We appreciate VERY MUCH your dedication to this project and count on your support in the future. It is planned that this program is used for serious work leading to the CERN Collider improvements and will ramp up the wu this month.

Per decision of CERN Management, we have moved the Boinc Server to CERN site and hopefully have preserved your credits to carry forward with LHC@HOME 1.0.
At this time the project's URL is http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack .

LHC@HOME 2.0 is a novel approach where the program is encapsulated in Vitrual Machine. Theoretical Physics calculation is prepared in the project called Test4Theory. You are wellcome to join that project when it is open for subscription. Separate web pages will be available for that with the URL:
http://lhcathomevm/

I believe, we expect still some changes wrt the URLs and will be evolving the web pages to make them more informative.

Thank you very much for your support and patience.

Igor Zacharov (LHC@HOME 1.0 Transition team).
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2011-09-16 17:38:04

LHC@home is back as SIXTRACK - a.k.a LHC@Home 1.0

-

The admins had to change to a new server after the relocation, and this has caused some problems, which have been fixed server side.

This also required volunteers, unfortunatley, to detach and reattch.

However there are still 3,000 computers reporting with the wrong info and have not done this yet. Please check your cleint logs and if you see error messages from lhc@home 1.0 then please detach and reattach. You will not get work until you do this !!!

Be sure to use the correct url of http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/
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2011-09-18 16:48:36

Wow. This would appear to be an exceptionally appropriate place to use the new BOINC 'notifications' feature.
Of course they would have to actually care about and value the contributions to bother.....
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2011-09-19 04:54:54

Thank you Krunchin-Keith [USA]!

When updating I was receiving the message: Error in request message: no start tag

Detaching from the project and reattaching in BAM! fixed the problem and sent new work!
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2011-09-26 11:06:38

Krunchin-Keith USA wrote:
LHC@home is back as SIXTRACK - a.k.a LHC@Home 1.0

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The admins had to change to a new server after the relocation, and this has caused some problems, which have been fixed server side.

This also required volunteers, unfortunatley, to detach and reattch.

However there are still 3,000 computers reporting with the wrong info and have not done this yet. Please check your cleint logs and if you see error messages from lhc@home 1.0 then please detach and reattach. You will not get work until you do this !!!

Be sure to use the correct url of http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/


Detach on BM for LHC is gray(not work). How can correct the url?
TIA
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2011-09-26 11:34:33

harrykar wrote:
Krunchin-Keith USA wrote:
LHC@home is back as SIXTRACK - a.k.a LHC@Home 1.0

-

The admins had to change to a new server after the relocation, and this has caused some problems, which have been fixed server side.

This also required volunteers, unfortunatley, to detach and reattch.

However there are still 3,000 computers reporting with the wrong info and have not done this yet. Please check your cleint logs and if you see error messages from lhc@home 1.0 then please detach and reattach. You will not get work until you do this !!!

Be sure to use the correct url of http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/


Detach on BM for LHC is gray(not work). How can correct the url?
TIA


OOps i just notice that LHC is not in my projects subscribed list (http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_graph.php?pr=bo&id=35ef7203ffb15afac069f6f732529a29) on BS !!

Climate Prediction
Cosmology@Home
Docking@Home
Einstein@Home
Leiden Classical
Malaria Control
MilkyWay@home
POEM@HOME
PrimeGrid
QMC@Home
Rosetta@Home
SETI@Home
SIMAP
Spinhenge@home
Superlink@Technion
The Lattice Project
World Community Grid

In BM I did:
1 Tools > Stop using BAM
2 In LHC now i can press detach button (after press it LHC desapear from the list of subsribed projects in BoincManager)
3 Tools > attach a project > select LHC > Impossible communication trough LHC and BM
4 Tools > Attach a manager > choose BAM
Now LHC reappear --in BoincManager-- in the list of subsribed projects ) but as earlier detach button is "grey" (not work) maybee because of lack communication?
5 refresh the BAM stats page and i get the earlier list (maybe because their site is unaccessible?)

How can insert LHC here?
TIA
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2011-09-27 10:30:07

KWSN-GMC-Peeper of the Castle Anthrax wrote:
Wow. This would appear to be an exceptionally appropriate place to use the new BOINC 'notifications' feature.
Of course they would have to actually care about and value the contributions to bother.....

That assumes that those hosts have a new cleints. I believe they were going to email those people showing the eror, instead of notifing eveyone include those already attached correctly which to me shows they care a lot about everyone.
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